tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2112395216287528954.post88392194111069200..comments2024-03-07T11:14:35.841+00:00Comments on flowersandstripes: Dr. ZhivagoJoan Hunter Dunnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14652041203134127783noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2112395216287528954.post-39459547003625996082010-11-22T03:47:51.875+00:002010-11-22T03:47:51.875+00:00the book is different in significant ways from the...the book is different in significant ways from the movie. i'm glad you're in the readalong; I'm really enjoying your posts. it's a beautiful novel!Marie Cloutierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14938166831865436287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2112395216287528954.post-36413540729962056072010-11-20T23:33:43.719+00:002010-11-20T23:33:43.719+00:00I am disappointed to report I have temporary GIVEN...I am disappointed to report I have temporary GIVEN UP(I know, what a thing to do!!) on Dr Z. Sigh...I think I may have to buy a copy of the old translation, as it sounds like the language might be a bit less awkward than the new one which I am currently carting around London with me (still, I suppose if nothing else it's good exercise?!). <br /><br />I'm a little surprised if this is just the translation that is making it hard for me to read, as I absolutely adored P&V's Anna Karenina and found myself absolutely glued to the pages. Perhaps Pasternak is just the devil to translate, or something. But, whatever the reason, as much as I want to love the book, I can't. This is very much not helped y the fact I'm still, 200 pages in, getting confused about who's who (I checked, and my edition has no helpful list - nightmare!!). Without knowing who's who you can't know what's going on, and even when I DO know who is doing what, I feel quite emotionally detached from the whole thing. <br /><br />The setting is obviously a very exciting time and the country itself sounds like a joy and a dream... pure magic... I"m quite desperate to visit now, more than ever! But I have found the best bits of writing to be when Pasternak is describing Russia, its character, and the wonderfully elemental-sounding weather. I love those parts and really find he writes beautifully with some very eloquent turns of phrase. I too collect phrases and have scribbled down many things - mushroom rain, winter's swoon, halfwit clouds... how wonderful! But I'm left quite cold by the story itself and I'm not sure why. I think it's a combination of the awkward dialogue and the strange way things are often phrased, which makes me think that perhaps the new translation will help me to love this novel the way so many others have done. I know it is the *sort* of novel I love, which is why it's so blooming frustrating when I find myself clock-watching as I read. SIGH! <br /><br />Am so glad you are having a happier reading time than I!janehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11446887350355708285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2112395216287528954.post-24974964631122989642010-11-19T09:37:43.073+00:002010-11-19T09:37:43.073+00:00this girl is very beautifulthis girl is very beautifulrashid1891http://www.translation.pknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2112395216287528954.post-17541773915204252872010-11-19T09:36:05.416+00:002010-11-19T09:36:05.416+00:00i like this girli like this girlrashid1891http://www.translation.pknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2112395216287528954.post-9554937457697600412010-11-17T19:33:50.959+00:002010-11-17T19:33:50.959+00:00Definitely want to add this to my list of books to...Definitely want to add this to my list of books to read! Have a wonderful day, friend!<br /><br />Julie xoJulie-Inspired Shareshttp://www.inspiredshares.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2112395216287528954.post-81598680605204641022010-11-17T01:36:14.829+00:002010-11-17T01:36:14.829+00:00I, too, have connections to the film with Omar Sha...I, too, have connections to the film with Omar Shariff and Julie Christie. You told of the contrast between her 'dark hair' and I'm reminded of the contrast between Yuri's 'upturned nose' which is anything but like Omar Sharif's! Anyway, I think you have the best translation; I like it so much more than the highly acclaimed new one, even though I respect Pevear and Volokhonsky's work with all my heart.Bellezza https://www.blogger.com/profile/18073864187188953633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2112395216287528954.post-18224262327306764422010-11-17T01:24:17.016+00:002010-11-17T01:24:17.016+00:00I think that you are not the only one who thinks b...I think that you are not the only one who thinks back to the movie as well here. And to issues of translation as well. This may not be a well-founded belief but I am somewhat suspicious of this translation - so plodding to me. But I am hanging in there for Book Two. Thanks so much for joining the group read!Franceshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12597485569740436880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2112395216287528954.post-27770460658735440982010-11-16T16:21:01.202+00:002010-11-16T16:21:01.202+00:00Ikusen no mirai yori mo
Isshun no ima wo tsuyoku i...Ikusen no mirai yori mo<br />Isshun no ima wo tsuyoku ikitai<br />Naraku no hotori de sae mo<br />Kakete yukeru Anata to nara<br />Mau kaze no gotokurashid1891http://www.translation.pknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2112395216287528954.post-76156708267400033852010-11-16T16:14:52.172+00:002010-11-16T16:14:52.172+00:00very good flowervery good flowerrashid1891http://www.translation.pknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2112395216287528954.post-48759340787667310792010-11-16T16:02:15.440+00:002010-11-16T16:02:15.440+00:00After my reaction to Madame Bovary, I can't he...After my reaction to Madame Bovary, I can't help wondering about Dr. Z's new translation. I've tried to read the book twice and can't seem to get past page 150. Maybe Pevear &Volokhonsky's translation is the key...JoAnnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13691864361197071517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2112395216287528954.post-69451087038671669662010-11-16T14:18:43.412+00:002010-11-16T14:18:43.412+00:00Well I have read the Manya Harari and Max Hayward ...Well I have read the Manya Harari and Max Hayward translation before and am now reading the Pevear and Volokhonsky one. I read the other one so long ago that I can't say whether this newer one feels fresher or better or more natural or any of the things it is supposed to be, but the fact that Pasternak himself didn't rate the original translation makes me think that I am better off reading the newer one. <br /><br />For what it's worth, the Pevear/Volokhonsky translation of Anna Karenina is superb, so I do trust them as translators!<br /><br />I'm going to try and take out the old edition from the library so I can do some comparing and contrasting, as I plan on devoting a post to just this issue!<br /><br />Glad you are enjoying it. I very much am, even though it feels like hard work at times!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2112395216287528954.post-76784661399802717832010-11-16T14:16:37.531+00:002010-11-16T14:16:37.531+00:00I've never read the book, I think I'll hav...I've never read the book, I think I'll have to add it to the list, although I'm a little worried now that it will ruin the story for me since it is not the same as the movie. I do wish movies would stay true to the book so I wouldn't have this type of problem!hip hip gin ginhttp://www.hiphipgingin.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2112395216287528954.post-9446773128775592332010-11-16T13:11:43.358+00:002010-11-16T13:11:43.358+00:00Read the book VERY many years ago - will have to r...Read the book VERY many years ago - will have to read again to compare with the film, which has for me one of the most heart-breaking endings of any film.potter jotterhttp://potterjotter.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2112395216287528954.post-57445637853000379312010-11-16T09:12:27.260+00:002010-11-16T09:12:27.260+00:00Have never read the book (but who hasn't seen ...Have never read the book (but who hasn't seen the film?!) - will be interested to know what you think of it. By the way, Radio 4's Open Book program had a piece about translations in: very interesting too if you can get spare time for a listen again!Toniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15740360046558563158noreply@blogger.com